See, to me the phone thing just showed me how far she'd go to win ... and how much Josh just *accepted* that about her, because he's *exactly* the same way. She pushes his cell phone in the stew, he manipulates a situation to get her fired. And what pisses each of them off about that stuff? That the other person *won*. Not the act in and of itself, but the winning. Their relationship is simply governed by different rules than normal people's, so it makes absolutely no sense for us to say that either of those actions was *bad*.
See, this is the angle of the relationship that I'd never even considered until I read your fic. I just hadn't thought about it from that perspective.
*sighs* Okay, part of the problem is that I'm a Sam gal at heart. I adore the guy, and generally I agree with his principles and ideas. On the other hand, Josh has been far more of an... acquired taste. I warmed to him quickly, but it took me a while to fall for him the same way that I was quickly enamoured of Sam.
There are things about Josh that I am wary of, that I don't outright support. Things like the immaturity in Josh, his ability to try to win for the sake of winning, his ability to rationalise his actions and his almost belief that the ends justify the means. I think that Josh honestly needs someone to pull him back from the moral edge that he straddles.
He's a brilliant guy, used to getting his own way, and I think that he gets sidetracked by the challenge of being *able* to do something, instead of thinking *if* he should do it. I just... He doesn't have the clear moral guidelines that Sam does (and Sam's can be too rigidly structured, at times, but they're there), which is why I've always thought that Josh and Sam work well as friends, and more than friends. The idealism of one and the pragmaticism of the other mesh well, and means that they both have someone to point out when they need to compromise and rethink their actions.
I think because Mandy and Amy are so similar... I don't know. I just have this mental image of Josh in ten years time, far more jaded and far more used to using dirty politics as an easy solution.
It's my own moral code that doesn't want to imagine Josh like this, because I'm pretty sure he'd be absolutely brilliant in that type of role. He could do it, without a problem, but I don't like the idea. I don't like the way that he acts around Amy, and the entire relationship always sent warning bells going in my mind.
*sighs* I don't know. I'm also kinda close to just giving up on Josh and focusing on Will. Josh was quite a jerk in S3, but watching S1 and S2 made me very fond of him again. Hence, I'm a little sceptical about watching S4...
But, Buffy and Angel will be finished soon, so I'll probably get into it then. *g*
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See, this is the angle of the relationship that I'd never even considered until I read your fic. I just hadn't thought about it from that perspective.
*sighs* Okay, part of the problem is that I'm a Sam gal at heart. I adore the guy, and generally I agree with his principles and ideas. On the other hand, Josh has been far more of an... acquired taste. I warmed to him quickly, but it took me a while to fall for him the same way that I was quickly enamoured of Sam.
There are things about Josh that I am wary of, that I don't outright support. Things like the immaturity in Josh, his ability to try to win for the sake of winning, his ability to rationalise his actions and his almost belief that the ends justify the means. I think that Josh honestly needs someone to pull him back from the moral edge that he straddles.
He's a brilliant guy, used to getting his own way, and I think that he gets sidetracked by the challenge of being *able* to do something, instead of thinking *if* he should do it. I just... He doesn't have the clear moral guidelines that Sam does (and Sam's can be too rigidly structured, at times, but they're there), which is why I've always thought that Josh and Sam work well as friends, and more than friends. The idealism of one and the pragmaticism of the other mesh well, and means that they both have someone to point out when they need to compromise and rethink their actions.
I think because Mandy and Amy are so similar... I don't know. I just have this mental image of Josh in ten years time, far more jaded and far more used to using dirty politics as an easy solution.
It's my own moral code that doesn't want to imagine Josh like this, because I'm pretty sure he'd be absolutely brilliant in that type of role. He could do it, without a problem, but I don't like the idea. I don't like the way that he acts around Amy, and the entire relationship always sent warning bells going in my mind.
*sighs* I don't know. I'm also kinda close to just giving up on Josh and focusing on Will. Josh was quite a jerk in S3, but watching S1 and S2 made me very fond of him again. Hence, I'm a little sceptical about watching S4...
But, Buffy and Angel will be finished soon, so I'll probably get into it then. *g*