musesfool was talking about that old argument of "I never identified with the female characters because they sucked when I was growing up". It's an
interesting post with a lot of interesting comments, but something that caught my attention was
viola_dreamwalk saying:
Where it gets weird for me is when a) the standards are different for male versus female characters; for example, a "weak" or passive male character is viewed as positive/sensitive/"a woobie"/etc., but his female equivalent "sucks" or b) we reject traits that are traditionally read as feminine because they're considered lame or useless.Huh. I'm totally wondering about that. SN is a fandom that has strong female characters and woobie guys, and I'm wondering. Am I really that biased when it comes to woobies? All of fandom adores woobie-Dan, and woobie-Casey when he shows up, but do we hold it against the women? I don't know.
Mind you, when it comes to identifying with characters, I tend to ideantify most with Casey. Arrogant, self-involved, somewhat oblivious to others, emotionally blinkered (he has a truly stunning lack of ability to recognise his own emotions and motivations for what they are), demanding, nowhere near cool. Sincere, caring, loyal, sweet, clever (but only in regards to certain topics), basically conservative but doesn't follow social expectations blindly. Most of those things occur in my personality, to an extent.
There are times when I identify with Dan -- but that's generally restricted to when I'm writing a Danny POV. I don't identify with Natalie or Jeremy; or Isaac, Kim or any of the rest of the tertiary characters.
When it comes to Dana, I love her dearly. She is a strong female character, intelligent, sassy, well rounded with understandable flaws. I come to her defense and when she gets hurt I have a strong urge to bitchslap Casey/Gordon/Sam. If I had the opportunity to date/sleep with one SN character, it would be Dana. I think she's fascinating and endearing and adorable but I don't identify with her.
I just... don't.
And this is something that links to other thoughts. Like that I love this t-shirt but I *know* that I'd never buy it, let alone wear it in public. Like the fact that I keep thinking of myself as bi, but I barely ever leer at guys; I check out girls. Like the fact that terming myself a lesbian feels weird and untrue, but every time I imagine dating someone, that someone's always female.
Oddly enough, I don't feel that weird about calling myself a baby dyke which is just strange, but all about mental association, I guess. And, heh, isn't this icon so damn *appropriate* for this post? *snerk*