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*hugs the grammar geeks* Because you're sexy in an articulate way.

When you address a letter "Dear sir/madam", should the "sir" be capitalised?

People keep saying it should, and yet to me, it feels that it shouldn't. It's not a proper name (it's more like a terminally un-capitalised pronoun). Am I looking at this from the wrong light? Is it a title and therefore should always be capitalised?

Date: 2004-02-16 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] speshope.livejournal.com
Sir is in the same catagory as Mr. or Ms. so, yeah, it's capitalized in that respect.... but, on the other hand, if you put it at the end of a sentence like "You've lost your pants, sir." it's not capitalized....

*sics one of her Grammar Maven friends on you for better help*

Date: 2004-02-16 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raendrop.livejournal.com
Augh! Point I did not think of.

Yes, in that case it would not be capitalized. But in salutations it is.

*curls up in a corner, sucking thumb and clutching OED*

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Date: 2004-02-16 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] out-there.livejournal.com
*sics one of her Grammar Maven friends on you for better help*

Dude, thanks! You rock.

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Date: 2004-02-16 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] speshope.livejournal.com
*laughs* I do what I can.

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Date: 2004-02-16 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raendrop.livejournal.com
It is an honorific being used in place of the person's name, and therefore should be capitalized as any name would be. For example:

"I need to speak with my mom."
"I'll ask Mom and see what she thinks."

In the first example, it's a common noun, identifiable by the preceding possessive pronoun. We can just as easily substitute "sister" and it reads with (almost) the same meaning.

In the second example, it's being used as a name. We can just as easily substitute "Bob" and it reads with (almost) the same meaning.

Therefore, capitalize "Dear Sir/Madam" in the salutation of a letter, because it's the same as (only more polite than) "Dear Jeffrey."

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Date: 2004-02-16 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] out-there.livejournal.com
So, if I'm using it as a title, or instead of someone's name, I capitalise.

If I'm using it to refer to someone, it's lowercase.

*nods* I think I can remember that.

Thanks for helping out! *g*

Date: 2004-02-17 01:47 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] phoebesmum.livejournal.com
I was going to say 'because I say so', but all of the above will do.

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Date: 2004-02-17 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] out-there.livejournal.com
Well, that's good, because that answer, always makes me go "Why?"

(Heh. And, suddenly I'm remembering a childhood book, all full of why questions, and the answer was always "Because God made it so." That's a line of reasoning I don't accept when it comes to grammar. *g*)

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