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[personal profile] out_there
Um... Angel 5.something...

SQUEEE!!!

Yes, I still adore Conner. Adore the boy. The serious, honorable, conflicted, interesting kid.

And, god, Wes? Why does he keep getting alienated from the group? Seriously, thoroughout his time on Buffy and Angel, he's been accepted as part of the group for only a couple of seasons. The rest of the time, he does what he thinks is right and then gets punished for it.

Meanwhile, how much do I love Illyria compared to Fred? She amuses me so much.

Date: 2004-06-18 07:40 pm (UTC)
that_mireille: Mireille butterfly (I'll be better when I'm older)
From: [personal profile] that_mireille
My flippant answer is "because the fine folks at Mutant Enemy like to give me pain."

I don't really have a better answer than that.

Date: 2004-06-18 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] out-there.livejournal.com
Hee!

Well, at times I wonder if that's deepdown social control. You know the way that old fairytales, and urban legends, even, were frequently designed to teach a moral? And the moral was frequently know your place, follow your betters, do as you're told?

Wes sometimes seems to be the personification of that. He is rather class and status conscious. From the start, he always *feels* how much of the outsider he is, how new and untried he is.

It's just a bit...

Y'know, Angel can be an individual because he's *special*. He has the prophecy, he has the soul and the vampiric powers. Wes isn't. Wes is just a person, just a fighter, just a researcher. Gunn generally follows the group, he follows them and feels the need to conform. As long as he stays part of the group, as long as he follows a group's mentality and moral code, he's rewarded (in a sense, with Fred, with acceptance, with support). It's not until he becomes "smarter", it's not until he steps out on his own to make his own decisions, that he gets punished by the story line.

Wes, on the other hand, is constantly trying to do what he sees as right. He constantly thinks his answers through for himself, constantly uses his own mind to make his decisions, instead of buying straight into someone elses ideas (yes, you can argue against this in B-S3 Wesley, but he did follow his own ideas about the Watcher's council being right, instead of automatically accepting Giles and the Scoobies ideas as best).

Accordingly, he's constantly punished by the narrative. You can't stand by yourself, on your own merit, and be accepted into the group. It's necessary to compromise, to compromise your behaviour, your moral standards to an extent, to accept the group's mentality as right.

Of course, the Individualist in me wants Wes to stand on his own, and just for once, be *right* about something. Just for once, have the others acknowledge that following Angel is not always the best choice of action.

Then, there's the part of me that just has a soft spot for geeks. *g*

Date: 2004-06-18 10:55 pm (UTC)
celli: carrots with a line through them, captioned "DON'T feed the plotbunnies" (plotbunnies)
From: [personal profile] celli
There's a fic hiding in this meta somewhere.

*steadfastly ignores it*

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