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Okay, assuming that Casey was in the same year in college as Dana, and that he also turned 33 in SN1 :

Year - Casey's Age: Event

1983 - 18-19: Met Lisa

1988 - 23: Married Lisa. Also met Dan that year (Dan aged 18 and probably in 2nd year of college)

1989 - 24: Charlie was born.

1993 (November) - 28: Started at Lone Star Sports in Dallas, Texas and worked with Dana. First worked with Dan.

1996 (June) - 31: Started working at Sports Night in NYC.

1997/98 - 32: Divorced (6 months prior to SN Pilot)

1998 - 32: S1 of SN (assuming Casey's the same age as Dana, ie. turned 33 in September of S1)

Date: 2004-07-10 02:19 am (UTC)
that_mireille: Mireille butterfly (Default)
From: [personal profile] that_mireille
Hm. And now I'm wondering how Casey and Dan met... Did we get any hint of that in canon? I can't remember.

Date: 2004-07-10 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] out-there.livejournal.com
Not as far as I can remember, and I'm sure I would have taken note of that. It's just a case of "we've been friends for 10 years".

Date: 2004-07-10 02:26 am (UTC)
that_mireille: Mireille butterfly (Default)
From: [personal profile] that_mireille
That's what I thought. Hm. Self, you do not need to figure this out right now. Really. *g*

Date: 2004-07-10 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] out-there.livejournal.com
Although, you know, if you wanted to write fic about it, you should feel free to go ahead!

And, am I the only one looking at that timeline and wondering if Lisa was pregnant when they got married? I mean, timeline wise, it would be possible, wouldn't it? 10 year marriage, 9 yr old son.

Date: 2004-07-10 02:49 am (UTC)
that_mireille: Mireille butterfly (Default)
From: [personal profile] that_mireille
No, I really don't need to write fic about when they met. I do not. I have 234890290342 stories to write as it is. *g*

But yeah, it'd be possible for her to be pregnant - not *necessary*, but definitely a possibility. And I could see that....

Date: 2004-07-10 04:06 am (UTC)
ext_3751: (Dan07So?)
From: [identity profile] phoebesmum.livejournal.com
Charlie, the child who goes from 7 to 10 in 6 months (or so). I've heard of growth spurts, but that's just silly. Admittedly, I have no idea how old my nieces are, but I like to think if I had kids, I'd remember. I know how old the cats are ...

There are a few quite-good to very-good when-Casey-met-Danny stories around. But there's always room for more ... (A conclusion which has nothing to do with my decidedly unhealthy Baby!Danny fixation. Nothing, I tell you.)

Date: 2004-07-10 04:15 am (UTC)
that_mireille: Mireille butterfly (Default)
From: [personal profile] that_mireille
Yeah, that's definitely a case of "okay, did we build a time machine and bring Charlie back from the future?" *g*


And yes, I thought there would be more than a few stories out there already. I'm so woefully behind in my reading. That in no way ever stops me, obviously, so that's somewhere on my list now after all the BtVS/Angel stories I need to write. *g*

gimme recs!

Date: 2004-07-10 06:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mecurtin.livejournal.com
quite-good to very-good when-Casey-met-Danny stories around.

Rec some for me, babee!

Re: gimme recs!

Date: 2004-07-10 07:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] out-there.livejournal.com
Um, First and Ten!

If that's the title.

Damnit, I need to come back after some research. and with some links. Give me an hour or so to post the next homophobic bit and then I'll rec you.

Re: gimme recs!

Date: 2004-07-10 08:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] out-there.livejournal.com
First and Ten (http://www.trickster.org/sportsnight/archive/2/firstand.html) - the start of a long series of SN fics. Very nice.

Kickoff (http://trickster.org/anyroad/merry/kickoff.html) by Merry, which truly rocks and has a very believeable Lisa and Dana attached.

I know there's others, but I can't think of them. Of course, I've had fun with the first meeting idea myself, in College Years (http://www.geocities.com/annie-lee.geo/wwsnfic/collegeyears.htm) and That Guy (http://www.livejournal.com/community/inthetallgrass/58522.html).

Re: gimme recs!

Date: 2004-07-10 08:56 am (UTC)
ext_3751: (Dan07So?)
From: [identity profile] phoebesmum.livejournal.com
Oh, now you've put me on the spot (checks seat of typing chair: ew, what is that ...?), I shall have to think of some.

Well, there's Shoshanna Gold's Citius Altius Fortus, in many parts, which has flashbacks to early Casey/Danny; and a whole series by K, ditto; and there's a story called, I think, 'Synergy' by Merry Lynne, which doesn't quite gel with canon (Dan and Casey are both at college in Texas and rooming together), but we can overlook that. Aaron Sorkin contradicts himself often enough, after all.

They're all up on the SN fan fiction archive - will give you links if you want links, but it just took me three goes to get the apostrophe in 'they're' in the right place, it might have to wait till I get my brain in gear. (No indeed, that would be a very long wait ...)

Re: gimme recs!

Date: 2004-07-10 06:14 pm (UTC)
ext_3751: (Default)
From: [identity profile] phoebesmum.livejournal.com
Oh, and another one that I like very much, but nonetheless forgot: Fall (http://www.trickster.org/sportsnight/archive/2/fall.html).

Date: 2004-07-10 07:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] out-there.livejournal.com
*lloks at you askance* When the heck is he referenced as being 7? He's nine at the end of S1 (I'm sure Casey complains about Charlie shaking his hand, when he's only nine).

Damnit. Moments like these I wish I had the DVDs.

Date: 2004-07-10 08:59 am (UTC)
ext_3751: (Dan 02Goatee)
From: [identity profile] phoebesmum.livejournal.com
In the pilot, Casey distinctly says "I have a seven year old son ... and these are his role models!" - unless I've shifted into an alternate reality again, and frankly, anything would be possible today.

Date: 2004-07-10 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] out-there.livejournal.com
*thinks* Damnit, you may be right. "I have a seven year old son..." does feel familiar.

There are times when Sorkin's lack of detailed characterisation bothers me. Of course, the Pilot's a little... less reliable than the other eps (Lived in NY your *whole* life, Danny? I take it you're not counting growing up in *Connecticut*!), so I'll go by the idea of Charlie being 9 at the end of S1.

Maybe Charlie was 7 when the divorce went through, but had since turned 8? *grasps at straws* I mean, by the time "Dear Louise" screens, Jeremy's been there for three months, and the divorce happened 6 months before the pilot... so there's over a year and a half between the divorce and the final ep of S1. Charlie could have turned 8 just after the divorce, and turned 9 just before the final ep.

Or, Sorkin could be on crack and just basically not care about the details (which he doesn't).

Date: 2004-07-10 06:24 pm (UTC)
ext_3751: (Dan03SoGay)
From: [identity profile] phoebesmum.livejournal.com
The 'lived in Connecticut' thing doesn't worry me too much, I assume he's just speaking in broad terms. I mean, I always say I've lived in London all my life, when technically I've never lived in London at all, I was born in (list of places that will mean nothing) Surrey and grew up in High Wycombe and lived in Penzance for six very odd years and now I live in Thornton Heath. Spiritually I've always lived in London ...

And you can probably stretch Charlie's age out enough to make it work, as seen above.

And you can excuse Jeremy phoning his deaf sister, 'cos she probably has one of those adapty-things where the switchboard basically interprets for you (that's the technical term for them. *Cough*).

Then there's Danny's sister ...

Or Sorkin might just have heard the saying 'A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" and decided to make it his watchword.

It probably doesn't do to interpret everything too literally, anyway. As long as there's a certain element of flux in the textual bible, fans are pretty much free to do anything. Anything. The power, the power! (Not that we wouldn't anyway.)

Date: 2004-07-10 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] out-there.livejournal.com
Or Sorkin might just have heard the saying 'A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" and decided to make it his watchword.

Pffft! He's on record somewhere saying that paying too much attention to fine details of characterisation/character history constrains the ability to write good dialogue. So, you know, I doubt he really cares about it.

As long as there's a certain element of flux in the textual bible, fans are pretty much free to do anything.

Well, BtVS and AtS have great continuity (IMHO), and that's a universe that allows you to do whatever.

Date: 2004-07-10 06:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mecurtin.livejournal.com
am I the only one looking at that timeline and wondering if Lisa was pregnant when they got married?

That was the *first* thing I thought of when I saw the timeline.

The second thing I thought was -- suppose meeting Dan triggered Feelings in Casey that he and/or Lisa didn't expect or like? How accidental was the pregnancy, and whose accident? I have a deep personal revulsion for the "she trapped him into getting married" scenario (though I have seen it done in RL), but both men & women can be damn stupid about birth control when tied up in emotional Issues.

Date: 2004-07-10 07:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] out-there.livejournal.com
The second thing I thought was -- suppose meeting Dan triggered Feelings in Casey that he and/or Lisa didn't expect or like? How accidental was the pregnancy, and whose accident? I have a deep personal revulsion for the "she trapped him into getting married" scenario (though I have seen it done in RL), but both men & women can be damn stupid about birth control when tied up in emotional Issues.

Well, Danny always thinks of Lisa as hard/unforgiving/manipulative, and even Dana says she was a shrew during the divorce. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think Lisa's quite that bad (I think the SN veiw is Casey's view, and all of the SN croud are primarily Casey's friends, and therefore, would see it from Casey's view), but...it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

I mean, everyone just assumes that they dated for five years and slowly got engaged and slowly got married, ie. always serious. It's just as easy, and kinda interesting, to imagine Casey letting the relationship happen, dating and living with Lisa but not thinking about it seriously.

Then, possibly meeting Dan and being *distracted* (maybe not outright attracted, but paying enough attention to Dan that Lisa noticed it and didn't like it - and there's no love lost between Dan and Lisa), and Lisa falling pregnant and Casey marrying her... not so much because he was "trapped", as Casey's a great father. He loves Charlie dearly.

I could easily imagine a 23 year old Casey being absolutely thrilled at the idea of being a father and conveniently "forgetting" about his attraction to Dan, or subliminating it into friendship.

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