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out_thereHmmm... I'm reading through http://www.jewfaq.org/ and am highly intrigued. It's always interesting coming across other religions, and finding yourself nodding along, and thinking that makes sense.
The offspring of such a marriage are mamzerim (bastards, illegitimate), and subject to a variety of restrictions; however it is important to note that only the offspring of these incestuous or forbidden marriages are mamzerim. Children born out of wedlock are not mamzerim in Jewish law and bear no stigma, unless the marriage would have been prohibited for the reasons above.
That intrigues the hell out of me. It's just a basic, gut reaction that you should have your kids in wedlock. Mind you, that attitude is just... a carry-on, it's more of a social stigma than a purely Catholic one. I mean, yes, the Catholic church doesn't always accept divorce (modern ones will, or will politely not mention it to you), but I agree with divorce. But, having kids outside of marriage? Is still one of those things that I wouldn't want to do.
I mean, it's not even a particularly rational bias. It's not as if being illegimate actually has an effect on your life these days. Plenty of people do it. But, me, personally? I still think I'd rather be married.
And, on the other hand, I don't really believe in marriages. I don't think they work long term, and I doubt I'd be suited to one, so... just as well I'm not really keen on the idea of actually having children. *g*
Shiva begins on the day of burial and continues until the morning of the seventh day after burial. Mourners sit on low stools or the floor instead of chairs, do not wear leather shoes, do not shave or cut their hair, do not wear cosmetics, do not work, and do not do things for comfort or pleasure, such as bathe, have sex, put on fresh clothing, or study Torah (except Torah related to mourning and grief). Mourners wear the clothes that they tore at the time of learning of the death or at the funeral. Mirrors in the house are covered. Prayer services are held where the shiva is held, with friends, neighbors and relatives making up the minyan (10 people required for certain prayers).
That? Doesn't make me feel good. The last thing I'd want after losing someone is to feel trapped with the other mourners, unable to take a shower. Although, I'm guessing it's for the more religious arms of Judaism, not all of it. (Hmmm... Orthodox and Conservative? Would Reform and - ... wasn't there a fourth one - do it?).
*shrugs* Then again, it's not as if I practice any traditional forms of mourning myself. I mean, when Grandad died, we organised for a priest to bless him, as he hadn't the last rites, and the ritual was done by a priest, but ... No traditional mourning times. Just getting through the funeral and the wake, and getting home again.
The final period of formal mourning is avelut, which is observed only for a parent. This period lasts for twelve months after the burial. During that time, mourners avoid parties, celebrations, theater and concerts. For eleven months of that period, starting at the time of burial, the son of the deceased recites the mourner's Kaddish every day.
Cannot imagine Josh doing that. Then again, Toby was always shown as the more religious of the two, so maybe Josh didn't...
The offspring of such a marriage are mamzerim (bastards, illegitimate), and subject to a variety of restrictions; however it is important to note that only the offspring of these incestuous or forbidden marriages are mamzerim. Children born out of wedlock are not mamzerim in Jewish law and bear no stigma, unless the marriage would have been prohibited for the reasons above.
That intrigues the hell out of me. It's just a basic, gut reaction that you should have your kids in wedlock. Mind you, that attitude is just... a carry-on, it's more of a social stigma than a purely Catholic one. I mean, yes, the Catholic church doesn't always accept divorce (modern ones will, or will politely not mention it to you), but I agree with divorce. But, having kids outside of marriage? Is still one of those things that I wouldn't want to do.
I mean, it's not even a particularly rational bias. It's not as if being illegimate actually has an effect on your life these days. Plenty of people do it. But, me, personally? I still think I'd rather be married.
And, on the other hand, I don't really believe in marriages. I don't think they work long term, and I doubt I'd be suited to one, so... just as well I'm not really keen on the idea of actually having children. *g*
Shiva begins on the day of burial and continues until the morning of the seventh day after burial. Mourners sit on low stools or the floor instead of chairs, do not wear leather shoes, do not shave or cut their hair, do not wear cosmetics, do not work, and do not do things for comfort or pleasure, such as bathe, have sex, put on fresh clothing, or study Torah (except Torah related to mourning and grief). Mourners wear the clothes that they tore at the time of learning of the death or at the funeral. Mirrors in the house are covered. Prayer services are held where the shiva is held, with friends, neighbors and relatives making up the minyan (10 people required for certain prayers).
That? Doesn't make me feel good. The last thing I'd want after losing someone is to feel trapped with the other mourners, unable to take a shower. Although, I'm guessing it's for the more religious arms of Judaism, not all of it. (Hmmm... Orthodox and Conservative? Would Reform and - ... wasn't there a fourth one - do it?).
*shrugs* Then again, it's not as if I practice any traditional forms of mourning myself. I mean, when Grandad died, we organised for a priest to bless him, as he hadn't the last rites, and the ritual was done by a priest, but ... No traditional mourning times. Just getting through the funeral and the wake, and getting home again.
The final period of formal mourning is avelut, which is observed only for a parent. This period lasts for twelve months after the burial. During that time, mourners avoid parties, celebrations, theater and concerts. For eleven months of that period, starting at the time of burial, the son of the deceased recites the mourner's Kaddish every day.
Cannot imagine Josh doing that. Then again, Toby was always shown as the more religious of the two, so maybe Josh didn't...
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Date: 2004-02-13 04:20 pm (UTC)I was interested in the difference between the men putting on their yarmulkes for the Seder in - I have no idea what that episode's called. Bad fan! Elliot's going round wearing his for most of the day, Jeremy and Will have theirs on while they're sitting at table, but Danny only puts his on at the last moment. Is that significant, I wonder, or did Danny just not want hat hair ...
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Date: 2004-02-14 12:45 am (UTC)*shrugs* Just a gut instinct...
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Date: 2004-02-14 02:13 pm (UTC)I certainly think he'd raise his twins religiously, to give them faith.
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