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out_thereHey, Wendi! It's the stalker!Micheal Jackson clip!
And, I got to see stalker!Justin earlier this morning.
All I need is stalker!JC and I've got the whole set! *g*
ETA: Dudes! "Smells like Teen Spirit"!
*cranks up volume* *dances like a dork*
And, I got to see stalker!Justin earlier this morning.
All I need is stalker!JC and I've got the whole set! *g*
ETA: Dudes! "Smells like Teen Spirit"!
*cranks up volume* *dances like a dork*
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Date: 2003-10-31 03:55 pm (UTC)Camp, no!
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Date: 2003-10-31 03:57 pm (UTC)Mind you, Prince's Cream clip was just committing so many fashion disasters it was frightening. Although... the current clip isn't much better. *sniggers*
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Date: 2003-10-31 07:15 pm (UTC)Still, everyone our age loves this song. (I'm still slightly shellshocked that my brother hadn't heard it. Seriously, he'd only heard the Weird Al version, not the Nirvana one. I mean, yeah, he's five years younger, and I only caught the tail end of the Nirvana appreciation, but still... caused some shell shock.)
Makes me long for my Nirvana tape. I had it at (12? 13?) but wasn't allowed to play it (Mum and Dad decided it was too depressing) and I had it for a few months before I got a tape player of my own. It's gone missing over the years.
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Date: 2003-10-31 07:19 pm (UTC)Nirvana *was* the early ninties. It made up for all that New Kids and Fresh Prince hypercolour jazz that was all over the pop scene - there were some great alternative bands around then. Nirvana, Ween, REM, Radiohead... (*nostalgic sigh*)
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Date: 2003-10-31 07:29 pm (UTC)Although, I'm also fond of some of that R & B rap stuff from the late eighties/early nineties too. "Push It", "Bust a Groove", "Things that make you Hmmm" and "Grooove Train"... *bops away to the music in her head*
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Date: 2003-10-31 07:39 pm (UTC):D Yes! Creep, Iron Lung and Bullet Proof (I Wish I Was)... :)
That nice britpop of them and Oasis, fun and uplifting and singalong-able...
And how many times can you say that about Oasis? ;P
I'm also fond of some of that R & B rap stuff from the late eighties/early nineties too.
Ah, Salt 'n' Pepa. Bless them. Did you catch them on Video Hits this morning?
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Date: 2003-10-31 07:48 pm (UTC)"I don't care if it hurts, I wanna have control,
I want the perfect body, and the perfect soul..."
Man, I remember catching the lounge singer version of that song on Rage a while back,a nd it just made me crack up.
And how many times can you say that about Oasis? ;P
Too true. See, back then, music was better, easier to sing, and not as desperately depressing. It's the late 90s. They made cynicism and deression so "cool". (Yes, I know you'll take the same mental pause to "read" those "quotes". *g*)
Ah, Salt 'n' Pepa. Bless them. Did you catch them on Video Hits this morning?
Yes, I did. Got up and danced to it, too. *g* Man, those matching big-shouldered leather jackets. Just not cool. Mind you, it made their male dancers look as if they had less shoulders than the girls, which just made me laugh.
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Date: 2003-10-31 07:55 pm (UTC)It's the late 90s. They made cynicism and deression so "cool".
(*dutifully reads airquotes. ;D*) Yeah, it became whiny and self-pitying - it was suddenly cool to be an angsty, bratty teenaged "rebel". -_-;;; That's not what the genre was supposed to be about; the songs didn't used to be so whiny and annoying. They were just depressed, not trying to make us feel sorry for them. (Because we gen x-ers have no time for sympathy. ;P)
I feel like an aging hippy, talking about when music used to *mean* something. :P
Mind you, it made their male dancers look as if they had less shoulders than the girls, which just made me laugh.
:D I'll bet there was a chorus of backup dancers stowed away in there, in case of freak shoulder pad injuries. :P
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Date: 2003-10-31 08:13 pm (UTC)You don't do *versions* of that song.
Yes, you do. You do lounge-singer versons of the song, complete with big cheesy smiles and sixties fashions. You then leave the fans of the original sitting there and wondering that it works so damn well in that style. And giggling insanely when they imagine the original band singing it that way.
They were just depressed, not trying to make us feel sorry for them. (Because we gen x-ers have no time for sympathy. ;P)
Exactly. We're not singing about it because we're so angsty and damn cool, and you should all feel a combination of awe and pity when you see us. We're singing about it because this is our life, this is how we feel, and this is what we think. We don't particularly care if you agree or don't.
I feel like an aging hippy, talking about when music used to *mean* something. :P
Well, at least I don't feel so alone. I mean, mum basically accused me of turning into a bitter old woman while I watched the MTV awards and bitched about the amount of flesh that the girls all flashed, and the stupid fashions, and the mindless songs. Yeah, I'm a grumpy old person in a young body.
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Date: 2003-10-31 08:20 pm (UTC)That's so wrong. And yet at the same time, strangely alluring...
We're singing about it because this is our life, this is how we feel, and this is what we think. We don't particularly care if you agree or don't.
(*agrees*) There's something very offputting about those "punk" rockers and strange emo people singing at us to feel sorry for them and acknowledge how society/the opposite sex/their parents' generation have done wrong by them. Nothing worse than someone *asking* for sympathy and making themselves out to be the victim. -_-;;;
I mean, mum basically accused me of turning into a bitter old woman while I watched the MTV awards and bitched about the amount of flesh that the girls all flashed, and the stupid fashions, and the mindless songs.
:D My mum was always the one who'd be drowning me out with HER comments. :P Hopefully there'll be a backlash soon, with female singers opting to show less flesh and do more tasteful clips to be different. (Remember when the raunchiness started because everyone thought it was new and exciting?) Like how they're bringing those female boxers in as a backlash against the g-string. :P
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Date: 2003-10-31 08:50 pm (UTC)*nods* And it works! Seriously, I don't have the version, but it just... works!
Nothing worse than someone *asking* for sympathy and making themselves out to be the victim. -_-;;;
Maybe it's a leak, a left over of the go-out-and-get-'em attitude of the 80s, but the early 90s really doesn't like the victim mentality. If you want to be depressed, be depressed. But don't expect sympathy for it. Hmmm... It makes me wonder if the cynicism of the early 90s is actually harsher than the cynicism of the late 90s.
Hopefully there'll be a backlash soon
Oh dear god, I hope so. I mean, it's not that I don't oggle the flest like everyone else, but it's just so overdone. Personally, I'm praying for the end of the hipsters and the miniskirts. Sure, they can look good on some people, but as a general fashion trend, they look pretty bad on most people. and, they're impractical.
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Date: 2003-11-01 04:43 am (UTC)When you word it like that, it does seem pretty harsh. I think it was before all that politically-correct, sharing your feelings, ManPower kind of trendy therapy stuff of the 90s. You know, all that "caring and sharing in the workplace/home/school" and everything. I sound so demented, but people did get extra sensitive about being... sensitive in the 90s; it became really popular to blame people for your moods. You weren't just depressed - your parents had raised you badly, the education system was shot to hell, there were conflicting messages between the Church and the media... It's so popular now to find excuses, when before it was just about a feeling that existed then, in that moment when the song was written. It wasn't a reflection of your entire being. -_-;;;
(And yes, I am three hundred and twelve. :P)
Personally, I'm praying for the end of hipsters and the miniskirts.
Amen! Remember four or five years ago, when "hipsters" were anything below your bellybutton? Now they're so low girls have to hike up their underwear to avoid complete exposure. It's disgusting. They make them in those Supre stores and bloody thirteen year old girls wear them... It's disgusting, and it can't be comfortable to wear, but it's all they sell now.
(Whoops, sorry, did I say three hundred and twelve? I meant five hundred and eight. Sorry - skipped a couple of centuries, you know how it is.)
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Date: 2003-11-01 05:00 am (UTC)Ah, good point. All the touchy-feely, Politically Correct stuff did come into vogue then, and suddenly a bad mood wsn't a bad mood, it was a "cry for help". Interesting...
Remember four or five years ago, when "hipsters" were anything below your bellybutton?
Yes! I actually have a pair of those. Don't wear them (because I've gone up a size), but for a couple of years, those were the most comfortable slacks I had, mainly because on me, they come up to less than an inch below my waist, and they do come up wiast-high on the hips.
I'm just going to say thank heavens for target, because I can't shop anywhere else for jeans. All they have is hipster crap. At least Target does have some of the higher waisted styles. Admittedly, they're being aimed at middleaged women, but I really don't care about that. *g*
(Whoops, sorry, did I say three hundred and twelve? I meant five hundred and eight. Sorry - skipped a couple of centuries, you know how it is.)
Hee! Let me guess, you've also got a bitch about the whole idea of no longer using horses and carriages? *g*
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Date: 2003-11-01 05:40 am (UTC)I have some like that! They are what I call "hipsters" - the lady in the shop called them "hipsters". Yes, they were purchased three years ago, but my point still stands. (And they're stretchy, so growing doesn't matter! Yay for stretchy! But not in a lycra hotpants way.)
I'm just going to say thank heavens for target, because I can't shop anywhere else for jeans. All they have is hipster crap.
Even Myer's gone weird! They've got a whole section of that pseudo-corperate crap that ninteen year old at their first office job wear when they want to look the part (not that there's anything wrong with that), and it's all slashed hemlines and plunging cleavage and hipsters. Who wants to wear hipsters to work??? This is why I put off clothes shopping, for months if need be. :P
Hee! Let me guess, you've also got a bitch about the whole idea of no longer using horses and carriages? *g*
:D My kingdom for a decent corset, that's all I can say. :P
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Date: 2003-11-01 05:49 am (UTC)Bad mental image! Bad mental image!
Who wants to wear hipsters to work???
Well, to be perfectly honest, I do. Admittedly, these are what I call hipsters (bought a few months ago in Target, and well loved), which means that they don't reach my waist, but they're only about an inch or so short of my naval.
Did the smart shopper thing. Found a style I liked, that fit well, and bought it in three colours. Accordingly, that's what I've been wearing to work for the last two or three months. Unfortunately, I am going to have to go back to the skirts when summer hits, so no more super comfy boots and slacks.
My kingdom for a decent corset, that's all I can say. :P
And there we shall respectfuly disagree. I'm not a fan of the corset. I mean, I've got nothing against the cleavage they produce, but they look so damn uncomfortable and the super thin waists are just unnatural. Trust me, all through the corsetted scenes in PoTC, I just wanted to take that girl home with me and give her a decent meal.
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Date: 2003-11-01 06:04 am (UTC):( I'm sorry. (*mentally channels Hornblower slash to you*)
Admittedly, these are what I call hipsters (bought a few months ago in Target, and well loved), which means that they don't reach my waist, but they're only about an inch or so short of my naval.
That's certainly different from the kind in the stores I've seen, where you couldn't possibly sit down at a desk to work because your underwear would be on display for the entire office to see. Unless you like that sort of thing... :)
Found a style I liked, that fit well, and bought it in three colours.
You are very wise. Can I covet your wisdom? I need to start doing this. :)
And no, I'm not a corset person either. The day I have a perfect 24" waist is the day I'm four-foot ten, thank you very much.
Trust me, all through the corsetted scenes in PoTC, I just wanted to take that girl home with me and give her a decent meal.
!!! Oh my god, I know. I first saw her in 'Bend It Like Beckham', and my only impression was of someone I didn't believe as an athlete - she was far too skinny to look healthy and fit. She was a bit less scary in PoTC, but still abnormally thin. She was only seventeen, but still. That's not normal.
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Date: 2003-11-01 06:19 am (UTC)Is it terribly prudish of me to say that unless you're a stripper, that shouldn't happen in the work place? Yeah, it probably is prudish, but it's still true.
Can I covet your wisdom?
Oooh... *feels coveted* Now I'm really special!
The day I have a perfect 24" waist is the day I'm four-foot ten, thank you very much.
Heh. Exactly. My grandmum had a 27" waist until she was like fifty, and that's after having five kids. She did this by avoiding eating basic healthy things like dairy, and now has osteo-parosis... (screw it, my spelling's stuffed at this time of night). It's not a surprise.
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Date: 2003-11-01 06:29 am (UTC)Yes, you dang puritan! You should respect the right of perfectly normal office workers, lawyers, doctors and other decent folk to display their underwear in the workplace. Really, what sort of Nazi-esque, anti-panty organisation are you running here?
I'm five six, and I had a 58cm waist for about two seconds when I was working 14 hours a day and running around like a mad person. I also had everyone and their brother asking me why I was looking so different and African-waifish. It wasn't a good look. :P (*devours dairy*) :D
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Date: 2003-11-01 06:35 am (UTC)I'm running one with no visible panties. Either you wear slacks that cover your undies, or you go the whole hog and just go commando. Those are your options. *g*
Youch, that's small. I'm 5'5", and I haven't been a size 14 since I was forteen. No, that's a lie, since I know I slimmed off a bit in year 11/12. Let's just say that for my entire teenaged and adult life, I've never fitted in a size 14. I don't think that's completely a bad thing.
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Date: 2003-11-01 06:42 am (UTC)But... But we're not even allowed to have a hint of bright pink underwear over the top of our jeans? ... WHAT WILL WE WEAR??? You HAVE to have that bit of underwear showing - it's like gospel! I'm sure it's in the Bible somewhere, near the bit that says "Thou shalt not wear accessories from Supre with clothing from Westco". It's WRONG!
See, I think the best figure is anywhere between 12-16. It's curvy and looks great in pretty much anything - short jackets look fantastic, imho. I've got the problem where I'm too weedy for certain styles and too big for things made for weedy people. -_-;;;
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Date: 2003-11-01 06:50 am (UTC)See, I think the best figure is anywhere between 12-16. It's curvy and looks great in pretty much anything - short jackets look fantastic, imho. I've got the problem where I'm too weedy for certain styles and too big for things made for weedy people. -_-;;;
Awwww... poor you.
I'm 16-18, and I don't mind much (ie. certainly not enough to be bothered getting off my butt and losing wieght... that would be effort). The only real bitch I have is my thighs, which are a bit out of proportion and do not look good in those stretchy G-string-showing hipsters. The only other thing is shoulder-pads. Wide shoulders and a strong neck, not a good thing to combine with big shoulder pads. Man, if I lived in the 80s, I barely would have needed the padding.
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Date: 2003-11-01 06:56 am (UTC)Do I detect sarcasm? Quiet, you. I could do the same thing - Oh, you probably have breasts and are therefore never mistaken for a ten year old boy, boo hoo. ;P (Oh no, I'm going late-ninties! Ahh!)
The only real bitch I have is my thighs, which are a bit out of proportion
(*hugs you*) You're talking to someone with hips a size bigger than everything else. Why are there not jeans made for this problem - everything gapes at the back! >:( (If I see one more 16-year-old hipster-wearing chick with thighs that don't come within the same timezone of each other when she walks, I'm going to eat her and use her pants as a napkin.)
Man, if I lived in the 80s, I barely would have needed the padding.
:D You could infiltrate an American football team and tell us their sordid secrets! I've always wondered if the bum-patting went on after the game, in the locker rooms... ;)
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Date: 2003-11-01 07:04 am (UTC)Bwahahaha! Actually, it was completely genuine. I was going to say something else, but I don't know what, because I got distracted by writing out "poor dead spiders" and thinking of that phrase more related to Charlotte's Web than clothes.
But, yes, I do have breast. *sticks chest out* For me to crossdress, it would take a lot of effort and a lot of bad lighting. *g*
everything gapes at the back!
I have that problem too, so I think it's the clothes design. Esp. the horrid hipsters. It's like their designed for really flat butts.
(If I see one more 16-year-old hipster-wearing chick with thighs that don't come within the same timezone of each other when she walks, I'm going to eat her and use her pants as a napkin.)
Hee! *loves
:D You could infiltrate an American football team and tell us their sordid secrets! I've always wondered if the bum-patting went on after the game, in the locker rooms... ;)
I used to joke about that (about being taken for an American footballer, not about the locker room smut)... *g*
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Date: 2003-11-01 07:15 am (UTC)Now that was a sad movie. :( And one that I refuse to think about in slashy terms, because the main characters were a pig, a spider and a rat. So, no. (*clamps down firmly on nasty part of brain that wants to produce a Wrong mental image*)
For me to crossdress, it would take a lot of effort and a lot of bad lighting.
Damn you! Courtney from Australian Idol had a more womanly figure than me, BEFORE she put on the flasies. Damn genes! :P
It's like their designed for really flat butts.
Well, I'll be sure to diet to the point where I sit directly on my spine, and know that I can buy clothes that fit wherever I go. :P
Hee! *loves deadspiders*
:D *loves
I used to joke about that (about being taken for an American footballer
I saw the victim of a botched liposuction on a talk show once, and trust me, however bad you think it is, you've got nothing on this woman. She was scarily disproportionate - her thighs, butt, hips and stomach all had big masses of fat sucked out, but her shoulders, calves, arms and chest were all the same. It was like someone had zoomed in on all parts of her body except the middle section, which was all tiny and weird. She wore shoulderpads on the show, to emphasize... Not a good look. O_o;;;
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Date: 2003-11-01 07:29 am (UTC)For me to crossdress, it would take a lot of effort and a lot of bad lighting.
Damn you! Courtney from Australian Idol had a more womanly figure than me, BEFORE she put on the flasies. Damn genes! :P
*sniggers* Okay, but on the good side, you'd have that somewhat more athletic (appearing) body shape, and you'd probably have less bitching about the lack of fashionable bras. I mean, not only are some bras incredibly dorky (and mind you, I'm only a B cup, it's just because I'm wide around the ribcage, and a size 16 that the options are limited or damn pricey), but current top fashions are against bras. seriously, there are a lot of trendy looking tops that I look at and think, "Yeah, sure, except there's going to be no support there at all.".
So, that's gotta be an advantage. I'm sure there are others, but my brain's foggy at 2.30 in the morning.
It was like someone had zoomed in on all parts of her body except the middle section, which was all tiny and weird. She wore shoulderpads on the show, to emphasize... Not a good look. O_o;;;
Ewwwww! Ewwwww eww ewww eww ewwwwwwwwwww! There's a good reason I don't watch those shows. That would be it. Eeeewwww!
But, no, I joked about it, and was far more sensitive about it, during the teen years. Those were also the years when Mum and I basically made it a rule that polo shirts were out of the question (you know, with the funky little collars, and the very square shoulders? I was highly fond of them as a kid, but they didn't do me any favours.). These days, I know the clothing styles to avoid, so no footballer impsersonations. *g*
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Date: 2003-11-01 07:41 am (UTC)Well, while we're talking EB White, what about 'The Trumpet of the Swan'? A swan that follows a young boy around because he taught it to blow a trumpet. (And I'm destroying my childhood memories one by one with this sordidness. :P I'll stop now.)
you'd have that somewhat more athletic (appearing) body shape
You would think so, but... no. It's more of a cross between slim-normal and weak-scrawny. I look like Pee Wee Herman could beat me in an arm wrestle. He probably could. :P
Can I swap bodies with you for a week? Just to know what it's like to have a curvy, womanly figure. I promise not to damage it in any way, unless it's not used to dorky dancing and spontaneous hand gesturing, in which case you might want to take out life insurance beforehand. :P
These days, I know the clothing styles to avoid
:P Damn to the powers that make certain styles inaccessable to certain body types! Like Matrix-jackets; tell me people in real life can wear them without looking like they encountered a terrible mishap at the garbadine factory. It just doesn't work. I must learn that. Some things look good on models, skinny actors and for others, you must have hips and a chest that are in proportion to one another. Alas. :P
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Date: 2003-11-01 07:48 am (UTC)Haven't heard of it, but man, that's just a bad slash fic waiting to happen.
Can I swap bodies with you for a week? Just to know what it's like to have a curvy, womanly figure. I promise not to damage it in any way, unless it's not used to dorky dancing and spontaneous hand gesturing, in which case you might want to take out life insurance beforehand. :P
You got it. One body, slightly used, large thighs but curvy, used to lots of expressive hand gestures and enjoys dancing. No life insuyrance, so if you break it, you bought it. As for me, it'd be fun to try out being thin. Trust me, that's not something I've ever been.
Like Matrix-jackets; tell me people in real life can wear them without looking like they encountered a terrible mishap at the garbadine factory.
*snort* Yeah, I know. I so *wanted* Neo's coat from the last film. Of course, since I'm not a guy with a perfectly formed torso, that style of coat just isn't going to look good. But man, I still lust after the coat.
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Date: 2003-11-01 07:56 am (UTC)It was my favourite book in grade one, and I can't believe I just thought those things. Damn slashy brain! I was flipping through "Indian and the Cupboard" last year, and every time I got to a bit where it said something like, "The young boy was anxious to get back to his bedroom, where he knew the Indian would be waiting," I snickered. -_-;;;
You got it.
Woo! I can be sexy! Yay! Thanks!
As for me, it'd be fun to try out being thin.
Have fun. In this exchange, you are getting one body also. This one's slightly worn, couple of interesting scars, skinny arms, large thighs, cannot work mouth without flailing hands. Oh, and the coordination's a little dodgy; you might want to test-run the dancing before taking it out, get used to how it moves (strangely). :P
I still lust after the coat.
It is wrong that Morpheous should look good in that style of coat. It defies all that I have come to accept as truth when dealing with leather jackets. :P
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Date: 2003-11-01 08:05 am (UTC)So, in other words, we both have Jack!hands. *sniggers*
Oh, and the coordination's a little dodgy; you might want to test-run the dancing before taking it out, get used to how it moves (strangely).
Will take that into consideration. Considering I mainly dance around my bedroom, that'll be fine.
It defies all that I have come to accept as truth when dealing with leather jackets. :P
Aha. I'm just waiting for Neo to turn around in the last film and say "There is no coat."... (There is only the Cool.)
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Date: 2003-11-01 08:10 am (UTC)Yep. But I don't think I'll ever be as pretty as he. ;)
Will take that into consideration. Considering I mainly dance around my bedroom, that'll be fine.
Good, that's good. Just make sure you move any breakables into other rooms, and watch out for furniture that might be tripped over/kicked/fallen into/knocked down. Then, wrap yourself up in protective gause and padding, and you're all set. :D
I'm just waiting for Neo to turn around in the last film and say "There is no coat."... (There is only the Cool.)
It would explain so much if that coat turned out to be a freak CGI creation with a life of its own. I'm going to cling to that theory - that it's part of the Matrix, not actual clothing - because it makes living a coatless life easier to bear.
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Date: 2003-11-01 08:15 am (UTC)Honey, most of the women on the planet will never be as pretty as Johnny. It's one of those things you've just got to accept and move on... *g*
I'm going to cling to that theory - that it's part of the Matrix, not actual clothing - because it makes living a coatless life easier to bear.
Okay, I'm going to be totally geeky here and say that actually, we're right. It's only their minds, and their images of themselves that get inserted into the matrix. They were born inside the matrix, and have the mental self image of themselves as not having those creepy mechanical implants/plugs all over their bodies, and so it doesn't appear in the matrix. Hence, the clothes are just figments (or garments) of their imaginations.
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Date: 2003-11-01 09:22 pm (UTC)(*sigh*) I know. And I think he proved conclusively in 'Sleepy Hollow' (if there was ever any doubt) that he's more feminine than an army of finishing school graduates. It's most annoying. :P
You have no idea how freaky it is to try to get your head around that Matrix coat theory at three AM. It was then, after reading it twice and going slightly crosseyed, that I realised I needed sleep. :P Now that I'm awake again, I can tell you with absolute confidence that I believe the coat is an evil, evil garment designed to torture viewers and make them feel uncool, Matrix or no. :P
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Date: 2003-11-02 03:29 pm (UTC)*sniggers at the mental image*
Man, that's not an army I'd want to go up against. But still, johnny in Sleepy Hollow... so very pretty... *happy sigh*
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Date: 2003-11-02 06:59 pm (UTC)He could be a teacher there! "Now remember ladies, pinkies up!"
But still, johnny in Sleepy Hollow... so very pretty...
When asked about that character, Johnny once joked that he was playing "Ichabod Crane, girl detective." <3 :P